tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608857242781723697.post9041408953904956384..comments2023-10-20T11:19:59.106-05:00Comments on Science and Evolution: Some problems with Intelligent DesignAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17761275267917285962noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608857242781723697.post-61982970651029185732008-12-26T10:41:00.000-06:002008-12-26T10:41:00.000-06:00The premise of Intelligent Design and hence its ad...The premise of Intelligent Design and hence its advocates is that life couldn't have formed without the finely tuned condition of the universe. Matter has just the right amount of mass, the electro-magnetic force is just the right amount, gravity is structured in such a way that the universe doesn't implode on itself, and life is the product not of random occurrences: if one constant was so it would be a coincidence, but all of them? That can't be a coincidence...it must be by design.<BR/><BR/>That's an arguement that simply ignores the fact that randomness can create order. <BR/><BR/>Secondly, I don't know any "reputable scientist" that is claiming that the universe is "finely tuned." That was my point of the problems with the standard model of quantum mechanics. Where is it finely tuned?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17761275267917285962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608857242781723697.post-26121360458381612022008-12-26T09:44:00.000-06:002008-12-26T09:44:00.000-06:00No, that was a foul ball, and I've known what you ...No, that was a foul ball, and I've known what you meant all along, but the point is that you are misleading the opponents of ID into thinking that it is ONLY IDists who "make the case that the universe is finely tuned", and so they *automatically* begin to deny that it is, as a result of your highly misleading statement.<BR/><BR/><I>Intelligent design advocates </I>AND A NUMBER OF HIGHLY REPUTABLE SCIENTISTS<I> make the case that the universe is finely tuned, so much so that if you changed some small feature, the gravitational constant, or the mass of the proton, then the universe would be different, and life could not have been formed.</I> <BR/><BR/>Creationists<I> conclude that </I>this means <I>that the intelligent construction of the universe, so finely tuned, creates proof that the universe was created by an intelligent creator.</I><BR/><BR/>I might be willing to critique the rest of your post if you are willing to admit that your statement was misleading and reads better now.islandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774086177497447408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608857242781723697.post-90838242902957188952008-12-25T19:43:00.000-06:002008-12-25T19:43:00.000-06:00Yes, strike two. You don't get it."No, they get "t...Yes, strike two. You don't get it.<BR/><BR/>"No, they get "the case" from physicists. It is their unfounded leap of faith as to what this means that is in question."<BR/><BR/>Who are the Intelligent designers? Not physicists. No the creationists/Intelligent designers want to believe that the origin of the universe couldn't have been an accident if they show that there is a finely tuned system; they believe that universe is a finely tuned system. <BR/><BR/>If you have ever bothered to read any thing about quantum mechanics, physicists admit that there are problems with the standard model. But they don't have "faith" that it will work out. Physicists don't make a claim about a finely tuned universe.<BR/><BR/>Yes strike two....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17761275267917285962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608857242781723697.post-82541330856398252812008-12-25T12:25:00.000-06:002008-12-25T12:25:00.000-06:00Wow, I've see some wild context manipulation in my...Wow, I've see some wild context manipulation in my day, but yours is pathetically blatant:<BR/><BR/><I>It is the Intelligent designers who make the claim that this finely tuned universe is the result of an intelligent designer.</I><BR/><BR/>So now you seem to recognize that it is commonly known among physicists that "this universe is finely tuned", whereas, you originally claimed:<BR/><BR/><I>Intelligent design advocates make the case that the universe is finely tuned</I><BR/><BR/>No, they get "the case" from physicists. It is their unfounded leap of faith as to what this means that is in question.<BR/><BR/>Strike two...islandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774086177497447408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608857242781723697.post-4782610678053807822008-12-25T11:35:00.000-06:002008-12-25T11:35:00.000-06:00"Island": It is the Intelligent designers who make..."Island": It is the Intelligent designers who make the claim that this finely tuned universe is the result of an intelligent designer. Physicists don't make the claim.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17761275267917285962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608857242781723697.post-62524732326268570192008-12-17T04:22:00.000-06:002008-12-17T04:22:00.000-06:00Intelligent design advocates make the case that th...<I>Intelligent design advocates make the case that the universe is finely tuned, so much so that if you changed some small feature, the gravitational constant, or the mass of the proton, then the universe would be different, and life could not have been formed.</I><BR/><BR/>No, it's physicists who make that "case"/OBSERVATION, so maybe you should learn why it is an OBSERVED fact before we entertain baseball and other extracurricular activities... lolislandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774086177497447408noreply@blogger.com